{"id":253,"date":"2020-09-12T14:24:08","date_gmt":"2020-09-12T04:24:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/?page_id=253"},"modified":"2020-10-09T08:05:05","modified_gmt":"2020-10-08T22:05:05","slug":"the-maccarthys-of-munster-general-history","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/?page_id=253","title":{"rendered":"MacCarthys of Munster"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"253\" class=\"elementor elementor-253\" data-elementor-settings=\"[]\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-section-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-878f538 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"878f538\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-70490a8\" data-id=\"70490a8\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-9150fd1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"9150fd1\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-07762e6\" data-id=\"07762e6\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b3a24e5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b3a24e5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-text-editor elementor-clearfix\"><h3>General History<\/h3><p>Rather than write a new account of Munster\/Desmond, for the purposes of the Association\u2019s webpage, the following is perfectly appropriate. It is taken from the booklet \u2018<em>MacCarthy People and Places<\/em>\u2019 written by the Cork historian Alicia St Leger (Ballinakella Press, County Clare, 1990). It is still in print by-the-way, and worth having as it contains much information, summary of some MacCarthy castles, bios of important MacCarthy people. Below is from pages 4 to 7, with some minor editing for shortness:<\/p><h4>Extract from\u00a0\u2018<em>MacCarthy People and Places<\/em>\u2019<\/h4><p>\u201cThe MacCarthy family trace their roots to Olill Olum, who was King of Munster at the end of the second century A.D. His eldest son was Eoghan Mor, whose descendants included the MacCarthys, O Sullivans, O Keefes, and O Mahonys. These clans held power in the Munster area known as the Eoghanacht because of their descent from Eoghan Mor.<\/p><p>From the fourth century Cashel in Co. Tipperary became the chief residence of the kings of Munster. A church was erected there in the fifth century by Aongus, the first Christian King of Munster. Over 600 years later King Cormac built an impressive chapel there which was completed in 1134. Until the tenth century, Eoghanacht power was virtually unchallenged in the southern part of Ireland, but this position of strength was increasingly threatened by the growing power of other clans, particularly the Dal Cais from the west (notably Brian Boru) and the O Neills from the north.<\/p><p>At about this time the MacCarthy name began to be used. The family is named after Carthach (meaning \u2018the loving one\u2019), King of Munster (died 1045). His son Muiredach assumed the name MacCarthach meaning \u2018the son of Carthach.\u2019<\/p><p>Between about 970 and 1170 the MacCarthys tried to maintain their power against encroachments, most notably by the O Briens. In the early twelfth century a settlement was reached which gave the MacCarthys control over south Munster, known as Desmond, while the O Briens received north Munster [Thomond]. These struggles among various groups were given a new dimension by the arrival of the Normans in 1169 (invited by an Irish king of Leinster). Diarmaid MacCarthy, King of Desmond, submitted to Henry II of England in 1171, probably hoping that Henry would protect his territory rom aggression. He regarded Henry\u2019s authority over Desmond lands as only nominal. Henry however considered himself feudal overlord of the MacCarthy lands and drove Diarmain out of his eastern territory, dividing it between his appointees deCogan and Fitzstephen. The MacCarthys were pushed to the west and south. Internal rivalry amongst the MacCarthys weakened their power and aided foreign advancement. This was halted by the successful warfare of Fineen MacCarthy, who in 1261 defeated the invaders at Callan, near Kenmare in Co. Kerry. Following this victory, the MacCarthys retained control and power in Desmond until the seventeenth century.<\/p><p>The MacCarthys were divided into four main groups from the thirteenth century onwards:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><ol><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">the main MacCarthy line was that of the MacCarthy Mor. The MacCarthy Mor lands extended over Kerry and parts of West Cork, with the principal seat being at Muckross near Killarney. In the mid-sixteenth century the MacCarthy Mor, Domhnall, was generally loyal to the English and sided with them in the rebellion by the Fitzgerald Earl of Desmond. Domhnall was created Earl of Clancare in 1565 (accepted as a political gesture by him, for he never really relinquished being King of Desmonde). Domhnall (Donal) died in 1596. He left no legitimate male heir, so his land was divided between the Crown, his natural son, and his daughter Ellen. She inherited most of the land in Kerry and married Florence MacCarthy Reagh, cousin and rival of the chief of that branch of the MacCarthys. Though this land was confiscated by Cromwell, some was restored in 1663 but the Muckross estate eventually passed to the Herbert family (late eighteenth century).<\/span><\/li><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">The MacCarthys of Muskerry were powerful and amassed extensive lands in mid-west Cork from the fourteenth century onwards. One of the most notable lords was Cormac Laidir (\u2018the strong\u2019) who ruled 1455-1495. He extended his lands eastwards and built several important castles and churches, including Blarney Castle which became the clan\u2019s chief residence. Cormac MacDermod, lord of Muskerry in the late 16th century fought on the side of the English at the Battle of Kinsale in 1601, later rebelled, but was pardoned in 1603. His son was created Viscount Muskerry and Baron Blarney; his grandson, Donough, fought against Cromwell in the 1650\u2019s, losing all. He was created Earl of Clancarty by the exiled Charles II of England and on the Restoration recovered his estates. However, his title and the bulk of the Muskerry lands were again lost at the end of the seventeenth century, for rebellion during the Williamite wars.<\/span><\/li><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">The MacCarthy Reagh branch held power in the Carbery area of south Cork from the thirteenth century, also descending from the main line. The name Reagh means \u2018swarthy\u2019. The MacCarthys Reagh extended their territory in the fifteenth century and acquired Kilbrittan Castle \u2013 which became their chief residence. They lost of their lands through confiscation after the Cromwellian wars of the mid-seventeenth century.<\/span>\u00a0<\/li><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">The MacCarthys of Duhallow, in northwest Cork, obtained power in the thirteenth century and were based at Kanturk. This branch was known as MacDonogh MacCarthys, as descended from Diarmaid, a younger son of Cormac Fionn (Prince of Desmond 1244-1247). <br \/><strong>Note<\/strong>: this branch lost its lands during the Cromwellian wars, but recovered them and held on until the Williamite wars.<\/span><\/li><\/ol><p>Thus by the end of the seventeenth century the MacCarthys had lost their pre-eminent position in south Munster and virtually all of their lands and castles had been confiscated.\u201d<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2fffe57 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2fffe57\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-960f5d1\" data-id=\"960f5d1\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e4345f4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"e4345f4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-image\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"360\" height=\"668\" src=\"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/Arms-of-the-MacCarth-Mors.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/Arms-of-the-MacCarth-Mors.png 360w, https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/Arms-of-the-MacCarth-Mors-162x300.png 162w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-dc26d7b elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"dc26d7b\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-26003b2\" data-id=\"26003b2\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-65bc15d elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"65bc15d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-text-editor elementor-clearfix\"><h3>Additional Information<\/h3><p>With the above as general background, the following pages on this website of the Association will attempt to fill in much of the detail of the happenings during the centuries of MacCarthy rule in Desmond.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>It must be said that scholars and other references such as those of the Four Masters and British government papers have often not agreed. As to dates, successions, etc. We have studied all the various writings and publications and have attempted to reconcile in the most reasonable way. Therefore the dates\/names which follow represent the Association\u2019s conclusions at the present time. New information and suggested corrections will be welcomed.<\/p><p>Most of the following works have proved useful, and will help those who wish to dig deeper into the subject of the Kingdom of Desmond and its territories, Irish titles and descents, etc. They contain additional detailed bibliographies and references for further research.<\/p><ul><li>Butler, William F.T., <em>Confiscation in Irish History<\/em> (Dublin 1917)<\/li><li>Butler, William F., \u2018The Cromwellian Confiscation in Muskerry\u2019, <em>Journal of the Cork Historical &amp;<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Archaeological Society<\/em> XXII (1917), 25-60<\/li><li>Butler, William F.T., <em>Gleanings from Irish History<\/em> (London 1925)<\/li><li>Butler, William F., \u2018The Pedigree and Succession of the House of Mac Carthy Mor, With Map\u2019, <em>Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland<\/em> (1921), 32-50<\/li><li>Dorney, John J., \u2018An Irishman in Exile &#8211; Florence MacCarthy in London 1601-1640\u2019 (2012); \u2018The MacCarthys and the Nine Years War in Munster 1595-1603\u2019 (2011); \u2018The Munster Plantation and the MacCarthys 1583-1597\u2019 (2011); \u2018Ellen MacCarthy &#8211; The Survivor\u2019 (2011); \u2018Florence MacCarthy, the last MacCarthy Mor\u2019 (2010); \u2018The Desmond Rebellions\u2019 (2015). All published in THE IRISH STORY and accessible on the internet at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theirishstory.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.theirishstory.com\/<\/a>.<\/li><li>Doyle Clan Association, \u2018Irish Chiefs of the Name, and the SCICC\u2019, on the Doyle website at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/chiefs.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/chiefs.html<\/a>. Discusses the correct and legal method of Brehon Law successions, who is responsible and who is not. Includes a list of all recognised chiefs-of-name and a commentary about the current posture of the Standing Council of Irish Chiefs and Chieftains. Placed in 2012. Also placed on the MacCarthy Clan Foundation website in 2013, at http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/<\/li><li>Duhallow, the Lord of, Gaelic Titles and Forms of Address: a Guide in the English Language (Kansas City, Mo, 2nd Edition, 1997); and \u2018Towards a Classification of Current Nobiliary Titles in Use in Ireland\u2019, in The Augustan Omnibus, Torrance, California, book 12 (1993), 130-35<\/li><li>Ellis, Peter Berresford, <em>Erin\u2019s Blood Royal: The Gaelic Noble Dynasties of Ireland\u00a0<\/em>(New York, 2nd Edition, 2002)<\/li><li>Gillman, Herbert Webb, \u2018The Chieftains of Pobul-J-Callaghan, Co.Cork\u2019, <em>Journal of the Cork Historical &amp; Archaeological Society<\/em> III, Second Series, No. 30 (1897), 202-220. Contains much on the overall Kingdom of Desmond history<\/li><li>Healy, James N., <em>The Castles of County Cork<\/em> (Cork 1988)<\/li><li>Keane, Lieutenant Colonel Leonard M., Jr., USAR (retired), The O Cahan, \u2018Practical Application of Gaelic Irish Tanistic Succession\u2019, at Clan McCarthy U.S. website now inactive (see O Cahan article at new MacCarthy Clan Foundation website, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/<\/a><\/li><li>Keane, Leonard M., Jr., The O Cahan, \u2018Irish Chiefly Succession in the 21st Century\u2019, 2014, at MacCarthy Clan Foundation website and on the website of the Doyle Clan. This is a most significant contribution to the confusing issue of Irish chiefly successions, often very political as well and certainly very mismanaged by the Office of Chief Herald and by the so-called experts over the centuries. Points out the correct procedures, and how an \u2018ad hoc derbhfine\u2019 can be instituted so as to overcome the tragedy of leaderless clans, as the Scots have done in conform- mity with basic Brehon Law. Reprinted on the website of the Clan MacCarthy North America<\/li><li>Keating, Rev. Geoffrey, <em>The History of Ireland<\/em> (Kansas City, MO, USA reproduction, 1983, volume 3)<\/li><li>Kingdom of Desmond Association, \u2018No Irish Need Apply! Still the Same?\u2019. Deals with the initiative of the Association to the U.K. House of Windsor regarding social recognition of Gaelic royal houses and nobility. And gives the response which was received by the Association in 2012. Published on the website of Clan Doyle, with extensive illustrations, April 2013, at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/noirish.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/noirish.html<\/a> and also published May 2013 on the Clan MacCarthy Foundation website, which can be accessed at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/<\/a><\/li><li>Kingdom of Desmond Association, in cooperation with The Clan MacCarthy Foundation, \u2018Irish Chiefly Succession: \u2018Ad Hoc Derbhfine\u2019 Guidelines\u2019. Provides information concerning the Scottish practice as may be modified for Ireland, by clans which have lost their Chief-of-Name to history and wish to reinstitute the Gaelic system. Published at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.mccarthyclan.org\/<\/a>, September 2014. Reprinted October 2014 on the websites of Clan Doyle, the MacCarthy Clan of North America, and that of Clan O Crowley.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Also reprinted Spring 2015 in THE AWEN &#8211; Journal of the Noble Society of Celts<\/li><li>Lathrop, Captain the Chevalier Mitchell L. USNR (retired), \u2018History of Brehon Law\u2019, published by the Association, 2013 &#8211; see the Gaelic Titles page of this website. A fresh look at Irish legal development. Also published in the Winter\/Spring 2013 issue of THE AWEN &#8211; Journal of the Noble Society of Celts, which can be viewed on the internet (google Noble Society of Celts for access)<\/li><li>Marmion, Chevalier William F., \u2018Nobiliary Titles in the Republic\u2019,<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span><em>Irish Roots<\/em> 3 (1995), 6-7<\/li><li>Marmion, Chevalier William F., \u2018Titles Granted by Terence McCarthy of Belfast While Imposting as The MacCarthy Mor, and the Aftermath\u2019, within the larger article \u2018Gaelic-Irish Titles of Nobility\u2019, on the Doyle Family website at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/titlesgranted\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.doyle.com.au\/titlesgranted<\/a><\/li><li>McCarthy, S.T. (MacCarthy Mor),<em> The MacCarthys of Munster<\/em> (Dundalk 1922)<\/li><li>MacCarthy, Daniel (Glas) of Gleann-A-Chroim, <em>The Life and Letters of Florence MacCarthy Reagh, Tanist of Carbery, MacCarthy Mor<\/em> (London 1867)<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/li><li>MacCarthy Mor, The, <em>Historical Essays on the Kingdom of Munster<\/em> (Kansas City, Mo 1994). (Note: this is a work of Terence McCarthy, written while he was accepted as MacCarthy Mor, and while valuable must be read with caution)<\/li><li>MacCotter, Paul, \u2018The Irish Clans of Desmond\u2019, <em>Irish Roots <\/em>4 (1998), 26-27<\/li><li>Murchadha, Diarmuid, \u2018The Carties Plaied the Divells in Desmond: The Battle of Callann, 1261\u2019,<em> Journal of the Cork Historical &amp; Archaelogical Society<\/em>, LXVI, No. 204: July-December, 1961. A very comprehensive study not only of the battle but also of the families of Desmond as well. Excellent bibliographical notes.<\/li><li>Nash, Catherine, <em>Of Irish Descent: Origin, Genealogy, and the Politics of Belonging\u00a0<\/em>(Syracuse, NY,<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>2008). [<strong>Note<\/strong>: very insightful book, with a strong understanding of nobiliary history. Also understands the MacCarthy Mor hoax correctly and is sympathetic to the innocent &#8211; quite unlike the various negativists)<\/li><li>O Hart, John, <em>Irish Pedigrees<\/em> (Baltimore, MD, USA reproduction, 1976, 2 volumes)<\/li><li>O Muirchadha, Diarmuid, <em>Family Names of County Cork<\/em> (Dun Laoghaire, County Dublin, 1985)<\/li><li>O Sullivan, Patrick, <em>From Cashel to Carbery: Gleanings from MacCarthy History\u00a0<\/em>(Kanturk, County Cork, 1992). [<strong>Note<\/strong>: this is a well-done booklet of the former<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>MacCarthy Clan Society in Ireland.]<\/li><li>St Leger, Alicia, <em>MacCarthy People and Places<\/em> (County Clare, 1990)<\/li><\/ul><p>We will list new publications of a general \u2018Kingdom of Desmond\u2019 nature\/interest either above or on our \u2018news\u2019 page.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>Nobiliary Titles and Feudal Designations<\/h3><p>For those interested in nobiliary titles including feudal designations, etc. which flowed from the British Crown in one of its personalities (England, Great Britain, United Kingdom), this subject is covered in a number of published works and on the internet. The Association makes no comment about British titles such as baron, earl, etc. relating to Ireland, as that is the province of the Irish Peers Association and British law. However, Irish people still holding such titles have every right to do so. The titles were created by a \u2018previous state\u2019 and in international law the successor state (the current Irish government) has no right to make any laws regarding the use of the titles bestowed by a previous state and thus the people holding them have every right of usage. The so-called \u2018feudal titles\u2019 using Irish place names are more problematical (as no definitive list exists) and we do say that they shouldn\u2019t even continue to be described as \u2018Irish Feudal Titles\u2019 but rather as \u2018British Feudal Titles Which Related to Ireland\u2019.<\/p><p>British titles have nothing to do with the former Kingdom of Desmond and have no relationship in terms of any Gaelic Irish titles anywhere in Ireland. They have nothing to do with the history or grants or definitions used by the Irish nobility when the Gaelic system was operative in Ireland, or now. Gaelic titles were and are the property of the various Irish royal houses and their subordinates per documentation, historical usage and \u2018chief rents\u2019 paid, etc., Again, and for emphasis, Gaelic titles and usages\/inheritances have no legal relationship to any laws ever passed by any British government or by any government in Ireland still ruled by a British government in one of its personalities. Those governments had no right to outlaw Gaelic titles\/practices, or legislate about Irish structures, however much those governments tried to abolish by force and duress the Gaelic order of things including titles.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Thus English-inspired laws abolishing Gaelic titles (or abolishing \u2018feudalism\u2019 1660-1662) or any other law on any subject passed when England\/Great Britain\/UK were controlling Ireland have nothing to do with the Gaelic order of things, and are rejected as irrelevant.<\/p><p>Finally, those Irish structures and the Brehon Law relating to them are also not subject to any laws passed relating to them by any current Irish government, as that government is a \u2018successor state\u2019 and operates under the historic English common law which it accepted in lieu of historic Irish law. In effect, the Irish government of today has nothing legally to say either about historic Gaelic titles or about British titles emanating from the \u2018previous\u2019 de facto British government in Ireland.<\/p><p>Having said the above, it is certainly noted that there are people in Ireland and in what was Desmond who still legally bear titles emanating from a British government prior to Irish independence in 1922. And they and many of their ancestors have proved their total commitment to Irish nationalism and freedom. Many are \u2018Irish\u2019 in every manner including their birth and passports, and are publicly devoted to the idea of an Irish nation &#8211; which encompasses people of all backgrounds as citizens.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>General History Rather than write a new account of Munster\/Desmond, for the purposes of the Association\u2019s webpage, the following is perfectly appropriate. It is taken from the booklet \u2018MacCarthy People and Places\u2019 written by the Cork historian Alicia St Leger (Ballinakella Press, County Clare, 1990). It is still in print by-the-way, and worth having as [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/253"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=253"}],"version-history":[{"count":21,"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/253\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":707,"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/253\/revisions\/707"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/kingdomofdesmond.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=253"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}